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Stand And Deliver PDF Print E-mail
Written by Psychoheart   
Friday, 14 October 2011 20:18

Jungle1Saturday, May 15th 1993. 19,436 fans watched Celtic beat Dundee 2-0 at home in the final match of another dismal season thanks to goals from Paul McStay and Frank McAvennie. No trophies, third in the league behind Rangers and Aberdeen, no Scottish Cup final to look forward to the following week, we hadn’t even managed to retain the Tennent’s Sixes that we had won the previous year.

But that day was notable not for what was happening (or not happening) on the park. It was the end of an era. It was the Jungle’s Last Stand.

Sadly, I wasn’t there that day. My one and only visit to the Jungle had come 18 months earlier in a dire midweek mid-winter 0-0 draw with Hibernian and having been bored and frozen throughout my dad decided he’d been right to give Celtic Park a wide berth for the previous 14 years and that it wasn’t worth taking me back for a while.

Those that were there that day, however, were saying goodbye to years of standing in one of the greatest areas in any football stadium anywhere. I’m not the right person to way lyrical about the jungle, and I’ll leave that to people with better memories of it than I.

 

That close season, the Jungle was turned into an all seater stand. While both ends remained standing through the 1993-94 season, that only lasted one more year as changes elsewhere in the club eventually resulted in the demolition of the Jungle and both ends. The 1994-95 season was played at Hampden (where I got to experience my second Celtic match) and when we returned in 1995 the Jungle has been replaced by the North Stand. That was followed by the Lisbon Lions and Jock Stein stands, all of which are still in place today.

 

Standing at football is something which has been all but wiped out thanks to the Taylor Report. The seats in the Jungle were a poor reaction to that report as the old board tried to come up with some kind of solution to the requirement for all seater stadia that the report had recommended and the league had decided to enforce.

Here’s my problem with the Taylor Report though. The implementation of it is WRONG.

The Taylor Report, or more accurately The Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry Report conducted by Lord Taylor of Gosforth, came up with many changes after those tragic events of April 15th 1989. The biggest of those was the suggestion that stadiums should be all seater. But that wasn’t the problem at Hillsborough that fateful day. The problem was the over-crowding of areas.

The report itself states that standing at football is “not intrinsically unsafe”, clearly recognising that those awful events had nothing to do with the fact the crowd were standing. Nevertheless, the governing bodies decided that the easiest way to prevent over-crowding was to ensure a “one ticket, one seat” policy and that is what we have been left with across the country. To this day the top division in Scotland and the top two divisions in England require teams to have an all seater stadium.

In the years that followed the regeneration of Celtic Park, I’ve been to many grounds across the country and been able to compare the experience. I don’t think I’ve ever been to Ibrox or Pittodrie and actually sat down. I used to go to Rugby Park and Easter Road and sit down, but that seems to have fallen out of fashion recently too. The whole away support stand throughout the 90 minutes, and it kind of annoys me. Not because we’re standing, but because the act of standing is usually impeded by the presence of an unused seat at the back of my knees. In Pittodrie’s case it’s just awkward to stand because the seats have been stuck onto what used to be terracing, and the seats push you further towards the next step than you should otherwise be. You always feel like you’re teetering. It seems to me that the only real issue with safety currently is the existence of the seat, not the fact that we are all standing!

Below our top division, the rules are more relaxed. When the SPL used to have a winter break, I’d take myself along to see the occasional First Division match. Brockville was generally my favoured ground to go to as it was fairly close to where I was living at the time. As some of you may remember it was a dilapidated dump of a ground. But at least you could stand on terracing for the full match and the atmosphere was brilliant. I’ve been to Falkirk’s new ground on the other side of the town since they moved there and it’s yet another soulless flat-pack wonder like so many others that have sprung up across the country over the years. If Barr Construction hadn’t done such wonderful work at Celtic Park I’d be constantly cursing their name for what they’ve done elsewhere.

Possibly the most interesting experience I’ve had though was in a stadium where the Taylor Report did not apply. I followed Celtic to Munich in 2003. Bayern were still playing in the Olympicstadion at the time - the Allianz Arena was still under construction and we actually passed it going to and from the airport - and I was able to see first hand what their set up was like.

The Bundasliga has a different rule from the UEFA’s tournaments which have more or less followed the same recommendations as the top leagues in the UK. So when Germany teams play in Europe, they need seats. When they play in the German League however, they don’t. So they’ve come up with a novel solution - removable seats. As it was a Champions League game I was attending, the seats were there... but no one was using them. Well, the drunk guy sleeping next to me was using his, but the rest of us were standing. Amusingly, the removal seat set up involves a bracket behind the row of seats. Or to put that another way, the row behind you has a barrier that people in that row can lean on!

So why don’t we do that in Scotland? We’ll still need the seats for European competition, so we need an option. The Germans have been doing it for years now - so long in fact that the stadium I saw it in is now out-of-date and no longer used!

To say it’s not safe is a fallacy, and Lord Taylor recognised that 20 years ago. Today we see evidence of fans standing throughout matches despite the seats being in place. When the whole group do it, there’s no amount of policing or stewarding can force everyone to sit down. Well, I say that, but then there has been evidence of them trying their best with the Green Brigade. Funny, they don’t seem to try it with the 7,000 Rangers fans when they turn up at Celtic Park in another corner of the stadium. It appears that one section at Celtic Park is just small enough to bother about but anything more and they don’t even attempt to intervene.

Clearly then, the answer to the problem of standing is for everyone to stand. But that will only encourage the wrath of Safety Teams who get above their station and decide that closing the stand or even the stadium is the answer to that defiance. Not to mention there are people at the football who just don’t want to stand. But that was the case back in May 1993 - the main stand had seats in it that day when the rest of the stadium was standing.

There is no good reason not to have standing at the football. If correctly ticketed, there can be no over-crowding. It’s not like the turnstiles allow you to lift people over any more. That’s probably one change from the Taylor report that I agree with. Not only will people get to stand once more, but they’ll also be able to gather with their friends in their assigned “area” of the ground - something which has been increasingly lost in the all-seater era. Maybe even more importantly, people will be able to move away from that annoying moaner behind them who never seems to see the good in anything the team do. Or maybe just the loud mouth who insists on shouting abuse at the referee in every game. Sorry, that last one is definitely me if you sit anywhere near me!

If you can stand safely and there’s an option to sit for those that don’t want to stand, I fail to understand why this is even a debate. There should be standing at football already. Yet the Celtic AGM had a resolution encouraging the board to conduct a feasibility study into the creation of a standing section. It’s the quiet resolution, the one that’s sneaking by without much comment given all the other concerns at the club currently. To be fair to the club, they say they are already doing just that and that the resolution is pretty pointless, and they should be commended for that - although one wonders why this resolution got through without someone at Celtic saying at some point “oh we’re already doing that”.

But still, why are we still only at the feasibility study stage 22 years after Hillsborough, 16 years after the reopening of Celtic Park, 8 years after another visit to Germany for Celtic fans and more than a year after the Green Brigade have proven beyond doubt the worth and enjoyment of standing?

 

Comments  

 
+4 #1 st.anthony 2011-10-15 15:03
Psycoheart - I admire you're reasoning but terracings ain't coming back and neither should they. Legislation was brought in to prevent more Ibrox's and Hillsborough's and there is not a government who will take a chance with reversing it only for another disaster to happen.

I remember terracings only too well. Stood in them all over Scotland, grew up in them. Personally, standing was over rated. Give me my seat at Parkhead any time than go back to piss running down the terraces, guys who came in late and stood in front of you after you'd came early for a good view and eejits up the back of the Celtic end fighting with the polis.

Celtic will not rip out seats at £25-30 approx to allow guys to stand for half the price. It doesn't add up economically. We're in the 21rst century and some people want to return to the 19th.

As for standing in grounds these days I took my boy to his first away game today at Rugby Park. Thanks to the selfishness of those around him who were standing he couldn't see and we had to move seat.

Be interesting to hear what others say on this but count me out.
 
 
+5 #2 danny bhoy 2011-10-15 16:58
St Anthony i agree with you 100%(& thats not because we went to the same school ) Stood in the terraces for years vastly overrated & highly dangerous,Health & Safety should always come 1st.
 
 
-5 #3 Macq 2011-10-15 19:14
100% spot on St Anthony. It's a shame your lad had to endure that first half (might have been better not to have seen it though!).

As for this piece of nonsense about standing araes I am utterly bewildered with so many things going on just now.

Yet the things that are important ie. a good team managed by a good manager who has the backing of a good board seem to be almost an afterthought to some.

It's been guff like not being able to sing up the ra, it's been guff about minutes silences, it's been guff about poppies on jerseys and now there is this non-issue about standing areas but there's virtually nothing said by these fans groups about the real problems - the shocking state of our football team just now.

Every single available penny should be funnelled into getting us the best possible manager who should be given the maximum resources to get us the thing that Celtic FOOTBALL Club should be about - getting a team on that pitch we can all be proud of.

Wasting resources on nonsense like this really is bonkers.
 
 
-3 #4 Sureitsa 2011-10-15 22:28
Macq, couldn't agree more.

I listened to people earlier moan about lack of investment in the club. I would tend to argue its more a question of how the money is spent, how players are scouted, how teams are organised on the park. We enter the European arena now to be well and truly spanked by clubs with a fraction of our salary budget, yet fans ask for more money to be spent.
We have wasted I really wouldn't care to speculate over the past few years on some appalling signings and even more alarmingly lavish contracts.
As for today's idiocy, time for someone at the Club to explain what is going on with players like Kayal, Hooper and Commons. Kayal ran around today looking for a red card which, at 3 down, was exactly what we needed. Hooper looks dis-interested and Commons was presumably sat at home with a bag of Monster Munch. whatever the end result, today was another shambolic display against a team who looked like scoring on every attack.
But let's talk about standing areas because clearly that's more important!!!!
 
 
+2 #5 The Thinker 2011-10-15 22:46
Macq & Sureitsa

This article has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PRESENT STATE OF OUR TEAM OR NEIL LENNON...

If you want to make your own article telling us why Lennon should be sacked or whatever then just do it already, but don't spoil an excellent article.
 
 
-1 #6 Macq 2011-10-16 12:11
The Thinker, just about EVERYTHING about Celtic just now should be centred on getting us a football team to be proud of again. This standing area stuff is totally relevant in at least two ways:

1) Do you think if this is given the ok that seats will miraculously disappear for nothing? How much do you think we'll need to spend on the part(s) of the ground where this would be brought in? Every single penny that is available should be spent on maximimising that football team.

2) It provides another smokescreen for this Board to get away from the big issue - why we have lost this league to a poor rangers team for the past 4 uears. Everyone's attention should be focussed on that but instead there are debates about meaningless stuff like this.
 
 
+3 #7 Sir Alfie Connand Doyle 2011-10-16 20:16
Have to say that I'm not in favour of the return of terracings. The people who want them back have no experience of them from the past.

People also talk about atmosphere but the atmosphere wasn't the same after 1980 when they banned the drink in the grounds. And before anyone suggests it there is no chance of that returning either.

Attendances improved when seating arrived and more families attend now. I don't want a return to the days when we got 15,000 against Hibs and we had a good team back then as well.

It would also cost a fortune to renovate the stadium again and as the others say if there is money available it should go on two big dirty centre halves !
 
 
+1 #8 foddy 2011-10-17 15:27
I think there should be areas of terracing at CP. I think the cost would be minimal making this happen. I agree with the thinker - the success, or otherwise, of the team and manager are not really relevant to this.

It's a reasoned proposal to continue to help improve the atmosphere at CP (which in turn DOES help the team on the park). A few small areas of a couple of thousand supporters or a swathe along the north stand holding 6/7 thousand with segregation ensuring no overcrowding would suffice. Lots of fans would choose to be part of this. I agree with the poster who mentioned the drink ban being more of an issue but there's no doubt that some terracing would be of benefit.

As someone who spent over 30 years following Celtic from the terraces I can say with certainty that I experienced some fantastic atmospheres at times.
 
 
-4 #9 Macq 2011-10-17 18:20
There's only one thing that's going to bring an atmosphere back to the ground - a good team producing quality football. There's nothing mystical about standing, though some seem to want to peddle the line that there is.

It doesn't matter what the hell you are doing when watching a game if on that park we still have Majstorovic defending with the expertise of a 7 yeard old girl, Mulgrew making his monthly feck up to gift yet another goal, Ledley doing his impression of the invisible man, Hooper hobbling off after someone breathes on his ankles, Brown passing the ball out the park, Kayal throwing a strop, Ki going missing, Bangura not being able to trap a bag of cement in a telephone box, Rogne getting injured tieing his boot laces and the manager and his painter and decorator chum looking like 5 year old boys who have lost their ma in the shopping mall.

It matters not a jot whether we have these standing areas if the thing that really matters - the football team - continues to be steeped in mediocrity.
 
 
0 #10 The Thinker 2011-10-17 19:46
Macq

Make an article about your concern of the team, the manager and the direction the club is going.
 
 
0 #11 Expecting Rain 2011-10-21 20:55
falling down the stupidly steep terracing at Tannadice is enough to make me have no desire to see them return.

the good bit was getting to stand beside all your mates and have more of a laugh. You could also move away from any wallopers who pitched up beside you that day (though more often than not, you didn't!)

The bad bits are manifold.

IF I was 19 I would probably be mucho in favour - but I'm not.m I'm older that the Celtic manager, for the love of God!

IF there was a way to introduce say 4,000 standing places I would be in favour, but overall probably not for me.
 

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