| More Law, Less Justice |
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| Written by Sean Huddleston |
| Friday, 07 October 2011 20:07 |
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The Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Bill officially launched on 17 June 2011 in Edinburgh. According to the SNP, the bill "aims to tackle the recent issues affecting Scottish football and will criminalise behaviour which is threatening, hateful or otherwise offensive at a regulated football match including offensive singing or chanting. It will also criminalise the communication of threats of serious violence and threats intended to incite religious hatred, whether sent through the post or posted on the internet."[i] In response to calls for more consultation on the bill, the First Minister, Alex Salmond on 23 June 2011 extended the timetable for the Bill and the intention is now for it to be passed at the end of this year. The bill itself has two separate sections that deal with offensive behaviour at football grounds and offensive behaviour on the internet. With regards to Offensive Behaviour at football grounds, the bill specifies a number of possible offences that will lead to football supporters being arrested: "This offence will cover sectarian and other offensive chanting and threatening behaviour related to football which is likely to cause public disorder. It covers:
The potential issues that surround this list of possible offences are significant. For example, the fact that offensive behaviour applies to matches not just in Scotland will surely open a hornets nest of legal and judicial quandaries. What would happen if offensive behaviour took place at away European matches? How would punishment be dispensed or indeed even merited?
The absence of domestic property in the section where matches are broadcasted are an interesting omission especially considering the frequent publishing of domestic abuse figures after Celtic-Rangers games. Surely the writers of the bill would consider domestic abuse as offensive or threatening behaviour and it is certainly not inconceivable that some of this domestic abuse would have sectarian overtones? The Scottish mainstream media's love-in with the 'Tartan Army' will also be surely put to the test if their now famous levels of xenophobia are displayed (especially if Scotland's opposition on any occasion is England). Scotland fans, for example, roundly booed 'God save the Queen' at the Nations Cup tournament in Dublin before the summer. Would this behaviour bring punishment for Scotland fans? If so, how? The biggest variable within this whole 'rap sheet' however is that it will be up to the police, at any individual incident, to judge what is "expressing or inciting religious, racial or other forms of hatred" and/or "threatening or offensive behaviour". How will levels of consistency be maintained? What will happen if they are not? Nevertheless, the bill is not without some merit. The 'Threatening Communications' section is a measure that has needed to be taken for some time now as the internet and technology has expanded rapidly. Under the bill "his offence will strengthen current law covering threats of serious harm and criminalise threats inciting religious hatred. It covers:
With the increase in 'keyboard hardmen' and dedicated facebook pages that support the inflicting of harm and violence on certain individuals, nobody should be under the illusion that these particular measures are not necessary. Due to the nature of the internet (and social networking in particular) , the lack of standards of decency has seen a growth in the perception amongst people that offences in cyber world are not subject to the same legalities as the real world. Nevertheless, the clause that states that certain behaviours would be reasonable in an artistic context needs more clarity. again it will be up to the individual police officer investigating that certain event or incident to decide whether or not the was reasonable artistic expression! Coupled with the confusion and lack of clarity within potential offences has been the arbitrary choice of 'expert consultants'. The consultation experts that the architects of this proposed bill have approached have ranged from the expert to the celebrity. This was typified by the inclusion of journalist Graham Spiers and 'pundit' Pat Nevin for reasons as yet unclear. In their summations, both Spiers and Nevin (in particular) appeared to direct any blame, and lack of action, on sectarianism onto Celtic and Rangers without any attempt at contextualising the problem (i.e. demonstrating the problem as a nation wide one as opposed to simply an 'old firm' problem) and ignored any possible responsibility that regulatory bodies may have had in perpetuating the problem e.g. SPL or SFA. For example Mr Nevin told the committee: "Whatever we do, I want to make it [sectarianism] culturally unacceptable and legislation may be needed to do that. I feel that a number of people feel there isn't a problem [sic], they say ultimately it is something you let Celtic and Rangers get on with it, it will be sorted, Uefa don't agree with that. I hope that good legislation can go through." Mr Spiers, who said that as a child he supported Rangers, said some supporters liked the "old offensive, bigoted chants". He told the committee: "Supporters in private like the songs, but in a public forum they don't want to admit it. Fans have been pulled kicking and screaming into this debate"[iii] There was no specifics or definitions mentioned nor were there any possible solutions highlighted by these speakers. Compare these shallow contributions with the intellectual vigour and criticism of Professor Tom Devine, who warned the bill could be “counterproductive”. He said the main “difficulty” police, prosecutors, sheriffs and juries will have will be within the definition of “offensive behaviour”, a term which he suggested covered much more than sectarian attacks. “I can’t define what is offensive. Offensiveness is in the eye of the beholder...You’ve continuously asked witnesses throughout this process to define what this means and intellectually the answers have been unconvincing.”. He said it was “inevitable” that people will fall foul of the new legislation who do not regard their conduct as criminal and who would not have breached existing laws. He also said the legislation encroached on legal areas that are “particularly controversial, ambiguous, and the legal process will perhaps end up looking like an ass...The original legislation of 2003 in relation to some of the issues that confront you is perfectly adequate.” In Professor Devine's opinion, the main problem was lack of enforcement by police at football matches and that the only loophole needed to be fixed by the new Bill was offensive behaviour in electronic form, such as email or posts on football websites.[iv] The speed at which this bill consultation was completed at was also un-nevering and has drawn high-profile and expert criticism. For example, the Glasgow Herald stated in a recent editorial that "Sound legislation must be evidence-based. Yet...the Scottish Government has failed to publish the figures about sectarian hate crime accumulated over the past eight years, adding to the suspicion that this would reveal most of it is directed against Catholics. Certainly action is required on internet hate crime but, in the absence of empirical evidence, would the ends of justice be better served by simply enforcing current anti-sectarian legislation more rigorously? Or by marginally widening the definition of breach of the peace to make it easier to target rabble rousers at football grounds?"[v] Bill McVicar, the convener of the criminal law committee at the Law Society of Scotland, also stated in The Scotsman that: "With the threatening communications element of the new bill, our view has been that it does not add to the law, as to make threats to anyone is already an offence in common law. We recognise something needs to be done about these issues, but not new legislation - rather better enforcement of existing laws."[vi] Leading sociologist Stuart Waiton, wiriting for the 'Free Society' website was also highly critical of the make up of the bill as well as media reporting of sectarianism itself: "Reading the bill one would think that Glasgow was a place of virtual tribal warfare. However, the very fact that the concerns raised are almost entirely related to Celtic and Rangers actually undermines this idea. If sectarianism were a serious issue and social force in Scottish society, then chants, abuse and even the occasional fight at a football match would be seen as pretty insignificant to the wider problem...the notoriety of ‘sectarianism’ increasingly looks like something that is kept alive less by bigots themselves than by a political and media class who use it as a form of pornography – something to get off on while grandstanding and looking important, standing tall against this straw man that is such a ‘blight on Scotland’s national game and upon Scotland itself’.[vii] He also stated in a different article that the bill itself was as a "snob's law" that would effectively make any sort of unpleasant behaviour at football matches a crime and that the legislation could be construed as an assault on free speech. He said: "Tolerance does not mean we are 'non-judgemental'. It is all about judging. We should say what we think about one another, about what their fans and what our own fans are saying. That is what a free, tolerant society is all about. Genuine tolerance means we judge, say what we think, but also accept that others who we disagree with must also have that freedom without the threat of arrest."[viii] Ultimately, the SNP have proved to be dreadfully reactive in regards to anything regarding sectarianism. Absolutely no measures were taken to combat sectarianism in any way during the SNP's first term in office and it took a massive media over-reaction to a bad-tempered (but not violent) Celtic-Rangers game to actually spur them into action more recently albeit in an unsubstantive and shallow manner. As one message board contributor has outlined: "this discussion is the result of politicians recoiling in horror at what happens at and around football games in Scotland, asking themselves how things can be thus in the twenty-first century and not really liking the answer very much. It is extremely unpalatable...It’s far easier to insist that both sides are as bad as each other and that it’s confined to the west of Scotland...Yes, it’s about religion, which a lot of people prefer not to talk about, but it’s also undeniably linked to football, which we all like to talk about."[ix] The SNP's aims and objectives regarding this legislation are also unclear and there is realm of thought that proposes that, such was the scale of the most recent SNP electoral victory that the ultimate SNP goal of independence is very attainable. Therefore the new preoccupation of the SNP government is to try and keep the electorate sweet for 4 more years and any major controversy which has the likelihood of splitting the population should be kept a lid on.[x] I stated in a previous piece that "The SNP took over as the Scottish Government four years ago and, under their term in office, have allowed bigotry and sectarianism to run wild. No attempts have been made to deal with bigotry by the SNP and the height of their involvement was a media-friendly summit that was big on publicity and short on substance and measures. We are still awaiting the SNP ‘master-plan’ to deal with bigotry and, in the meantime, we have had the justice minister Kenny MacAskill commend the marvellous atmosphere of the league cup final – a league cup final littered with numerous renditions of ‘no pope of Rome’, the ‘famine song’, and the ‘billy boys’. The SNP need to up their game significantly over the coming period to avoid any ‘absent landlord’ comparisons with their previous term in office".[xi] One can reasonably surmise that the SNP have not raised their game in the slightest. Instead, we appear to be heading for the imposition of, not just bad legislation but, knee-jerk, ill-conceived legislation. What would we have expected in reality though? The entire premise for the SNP's approach to sectarianism appears to have been a bad-tempered football game. I hope for the sake of the rest of us that the remainder of the SNP's manifesto is not based in such similar superficial reasons. I will leave the last word to someone who experienced his fair share of the law, and law-makers, failing to discharge their responsibilities and duties correctly: Law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. http://celticunderground.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=664:settling-scores&catid=45:season-2010-2011&Itemid=80 |






Comments
I go to the Celtic games, support my team, sing some songs and then go home. Sometimes I have a beer or two.
This law/bill prrsents no problems to me whatsoever.
Why is it a problem for others?
Please explain.
Oh, that's right. Sing pro IRA songs, call players/fans b*stards, pish in the street, get drunk & generally act like a fkn arsehole. Act like this in your normal working life and folk would disown & you might lose your job but you're at the "Celic game" so it's okay?
No, it's not.
For some - get a life.
For some - grow up.
I just do not get all this, what is the problem here?
If you are worried about this new law, then you must be doing something that you think might be deemed 'against the law'. If that's the case, it's pretty simple. Dont' do it.
I have always argued its not about what you say but how you say it. This new law will not make that distinction
Unfortunately we have an element in our support who are more interested in rebelling against authority at every opportunity and want to make a name for themselves.
When you actually challenge them they spout guff about civil liberties and crap like that, when in reality no one is trying to lift them unless they step out of line.
Sadly, it is a little reminiscent of the idiots who go to Ibrox who complained when their beloved "Billy Boys" crap was banned, and rightly so.
Go to the game, support your team but leave the political and sectarian baggage away from our club. We have more than enough problems on the pitch to deal with. Why folk are getting their nappies in a twist over stupid songs when we are staring down the barrel of 4 in a row just shows how stupid these half wits are.
They are the modern day equivalent of the numpties in the old jungle in the late 70s who sang "classics" such as "Rather be a darkie than a hun" and "The corporation buses are coloured green white and gold".
You make the point that all you do is support your team and dont act like hooligan. Well, according to this proposed legislation, anything that is deemed 'offensive behaviour' (by the police on duty) will see you possibly being arrested.
Have you ever swore at a football match? Have you ever given a ref a piece of your mind? Have you ever vocally expressed (loudly) your displeasure at a wayward pass or missed opportunity? Under this legislation all these examples would/could be considered offensive, and consequently you could be arrested. the conduct of the police at Celtic park recently suggest they would readily accept the opportunity to chastise supporters who indulge in this sort of behaviour.
Second of all, while you may feel that political/cultural chants are not welcome, there are many more who feel they are doing nothing more than expressing an entirely valid point of view. And while you may feel that these chants are not welcome, to equate them with racist or sectarian chanting is not accurate. These songs and chants are not the same as 'the billy boys' and especially the so called 'famine song'. They should not be legislated against simply because scottish society cannot differentiate between political songs and racist/sectarian chanting.
Lastly, this legislation is also being pushed through in an attempt to equalise the 'rap sheet' that Celtic fans can be charged with along with Rangers fans. if you have ever used the word 'hun' at a game then get prepared not to as this legislation will deem it offensive and you could be lifted.
freedom of speech is the main issue here. There is enough legislation that exists to tackle racist/sectarian chanting and 'breach of the peace' is a more than suitable chargeable offence that can be applied to someone indulging in hooligan like behaviour.
this legislation will make it an offence to be PERCEIVED to be engaging in 'offensive behaviour' and with such vague and ambigious definitions of what that behaviour may be, who knows what the future may hold. Even 'well-behaved' supporters like yourself must surely disagree with this situation?
Maybe it's time these folk started to come into the 21st century instead of living in a dinosaur-like existence of offensive and sectarian (yes sectarian) songs that they spout.
Ina previous post I mentioned the racist song that used to be sung in the late 70s to highlight that to many at that time they believed it was ok to sing it. Yet society soon deemed calling a non-white person a "darkie" offensive and thankfully it was soon a thing of the past.
Likewise, this sectarian "feck the crown" patter they come away with is now to be deemed unlawful, just as a song singing "feck the papacy/pope" is rightfully deemed unlawful.
Also, the continued support of an organisation that has no place in football and unncessarily murdered thousands (often on the basis of nothing else but their religion) is also a relic of the past.
Whether you disagree or not is not really the point. Society believes these songs to be offensive and that means you will be lifted if you sing them - and rightly so.
I don't agree with many things in society, but I abide by them because we live in a democracy and the democractic system has deemed certain things legal and some illegal.
These guys have made their point. They've protested and hopefully the bill will get passed and they'll need to abide by the law. If not then they deserve everything they get. Hopefully a wee time spent in the nick might sort the fools out.
Maybe, just maybe, if they spent as much time on the matters that are really important with regards to Celtic i.e. a rotten team led by a rotten manager, we'd maybe get somewhere.
That's the really important issue, not whether singing about the Provisional wing of the IRA should get you huckled.
If I call people I know and like huns then I do not see why the police should have the power to charge me on causing offence
Flower of Scotland and God Save the Queen can both be highly offensive to certain types of people but to suggest they should be chargable offence is rediculous
Boruc blessing himself clearly offended a lot of people
Your example about the word huns is not really relevant - though it is a habit I myself have recently tried to get away from.
If people find it an offensive term then it's offensive. I don't find the phrase "Paki" offensive when taken in isolation. To me it is a short form of the word "Pakistani". But to many it is a racist term and in that sense should not be used when describing Pakistani people and I certainly wouldn't use in any ordinary conversation.
It wasn't that long ago that phrases such as "nig-nog", "gollywog" etc were common parlance. But at some time in the past these words became offensive.
Times change, language changes, practices previously deemed wrong (eg homosexuality) become legal/practices previously deemed legal (eg smoking in enclosed public places) become illegal. This looks to me to be such a watershed with regards to behaviour at the football match and I personally am all for that.
Songs people deemed as acceptable once upon a time are now clearly offensive. Like the old uncle who used to use the racist terms long after they were banished from civilised conversation these dinosaurs who still to continue to peddle their IRA crap need to grow up and realise modern day society doesn't want to hear their pish.
That's what it comes down to. Not whether you'll get lifted for blessing yourself (though why anyone would want to pray in front of thousands of others at a football match is beyond me - didn't Jesus talk about only praying in private?) or any made up nonsense like that. Hey, but folk are trying to stop the gb singing "Up the RA!" so we need to scaremonger people into thinking they won't be able to breathe when at the football.
secondly, this line "If people find it an offensive term then it's offensive"
THAT is the can of worms you seem to be avoiding. If a bunch of Rangers fans, as proven by trying to get Lennon jail for racism, all tell the police Lennon shouting at the sideline was offensive then by your "If people find it an offensive term then it's offensive" mantra Neil Lennon would be arrested and charged under new law
There are lots of people who are offended by minor things and other who claim offence to get other in trouble yet your supported a law that makes it all black and white.
Of course the word hun is offensive, it is supposed to be
scum, orcs, blue noses.....There will always be a word to describe your rivals
its like saying people who use the word chinky to describe their dinner are being offensive. Just like the word "nigger" is not offensive in itself(black people call themselves in all the time, and I have seen comedy skits with white guys using it when it was anything but offensive) Certain Irish people calling themselves "Fenians"
hell, even the word "Jew" when used by some people has become a slur just by itself becuase of the way in which they say it
it is not about the words themselves but how you employ and deliver them
So it's ok to call a guy "nigger" so long as I deliver it the right way?
Unfeckinbelieveable, though when one contributor on this website posts about the Reamonn Gormley murder being motivated by sectarianism (even though at least one of the killers was himself a Celtic fan) nothing surprises me.
Let's step into the 21st century lads and leave the sectarian and offensive songs to the fans that follow Rangers.
Your stance on republican songs is slightlky skewing the debate her.
Therefore, putting all that to one side, dont you agree that this legislation is actually a waste of time? Laws have already been established to deal with hooligan like behaviour - all the key academic experts that gave evidence to the bill's committee all agreed that BETTER ENFORCEMENT of existing laws was needed (and ainclusion/provision for internet crimes) NOT new legislation.
The only believe who believe this is necessary is the SNP - there is zero academic or expert support for this bill.
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