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| Written by Lachiemor |
| Wednesday, 23 February 2011 18:58 |
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More years ago than I care to remember, I joined an internet community forum for the first time – that forum was the E-tims. After some months I was asked by Glen Timtim, the moderator, if I would like to contribute some articles to the main site. I did so gladly and for a couple of years the E-tims published my ramblings about times gone by and players that many of our present fans had only heard of.
In time there was a division amongst those who ran the site and Glen, Hullbhoy and perhaps others ceased to be part of it. Since these were my main links to the E-tims I was a bit disconcerted, but sent my copy in faithfully most weeks, until I was asked by Glen in his new guise as Eddie Pearson to contribute to a venture called Celtic Underground. For a wee while I wrote for both before settling for a regular space in this place you now visit.
As someone who has contributed to Celtic Underground since its fledgling state I feel entitled to offer some comment on recent events – most notably the report on Sunday's match taken from the Huddleboard.
I have form with regards to my views on the Huddleboard – suffice to say that I am not their favourite columnist – but each to his own - I have long since decided that they are better ignored and the feeling is probably mutual.
To say that I was dismayed by Eddie's decision to publish that pile of drivel which masquerades as wit is an understatement. I was actually disgusted that such muck would ever find a place on what I had always regarded as the crème de la crème of Celtic web-sites. I know it came with a public health warning, but did not excuse its very presence on our site.
When Celtic F.C. embraced the Green Brigade and facilitated their group presence at Paradise, it did not take a genius to foresee that problems lay in store. As the bard says, if you sup with the devil you need a lang spoon, and the modus operandi of the Green Brigade was too at odds with the aims and objectives of Celtic PLC for a harmonious relationship to emerge. Listening to Sunday's match and the singing of songs from outwith the approved canon – including I may say sectarian chants directed at Wattie – simply illustrates the tensions that remain between the two bodies.
There is a terrific series of children's novels by a woman called Susan Cooper called 'The Dark is Rising'. These books are superior to those about the speccy boy wizard although the film versions of young Potter's adventures are far superior to the ham-fisted attempt by Hollywood to capture the essence of Cooper's works about Will Stanton and the Arthurian legends.
In one of the books there is an episode in which the Dark Lord visits Will's house on Christmas Eve. As they are time Lords of a sort, the younger man takes them outside time and expresses his rage that the evil one should enter his family home, only to be reminded that he was invited in by Will's father who has unwittingly made his acquaintance in the real world and that even Will, as the last of the 'Old One's', cannot affect the ancient magic once the invitation was made.
My point is that Eddie, who I consider the best web-master around, and someone who has directed the tone and manners of this site with the lightest of touches, has I believe, in publishing this garbage – for garbage it is - offered the same invitation to Timworld's yahoos and numpties as Will Stanton's father did to the Dark.
The door has been opened and we must ask how easy it will be to police standards, in terms of both articles and comments, when it has been accepted that filth is O.K. when it purports to be humour.
If it were not for the fact that it is pro-Celtic, it would be easy to see this piece of tripe on Follow Follow. The standard seems just about their level.
I texted my thoughts on this to Eddie and he did not agree saying that he thought our site was the better for it. I find that viewpoint astonishing. He – and others – have spent years building a web-site which stood for something in the pantheon of Celtic cyberspace, something which might best be described as 'class'. That this piece even saw the light of our day, in my opinion undermines years of work.
I cannot recall whether it was in response to Michael Kelly's book or following one of Brain Dempsey's mutterings in the red-tops, but Fergus uttered the lines which head this article, in a sense putting them in their place.
Eddie assures me that nothing will change and that vigilance will remain an issue for us in terms of editorial control and the maintenance of standards. I must trust him on this but I hope that when the dog barks and the caravan moves on those of us who saw this site as special still feel we have a place.
More years ago than I care to remember, I joined an internet community forum for the first time – that forum was the E-tims. After some months I was asked by Glen Timtim, the moderator, if I would like to contribute some articles to the main site. I did so gladly and for a couple of years the E-tims published my ramblings about times gone by and players that many of our present fans had only heard of. In time there was a division amongst those who ran the site and Glen, Hullbhoy and perhaps others ceased to be part of it. Since these were my main links to the E-tims I was a bit disconcerted, but sent my copy in faithfully most weeks, until I was asked by Glen in his new guise as Eddie Pearson to contribute to a venture called Celtic Underground. For a wee while I wrote for both before settling for a regular space in this place you now visit. As someone who has contributed to Celtic Underground since its fledgling state I feel entitled to offer some comment on recent events – most notably the report on Sunday's match taken from the Huddleboard.
I have form with regards to my views on the Huddleboard – suffice to say that I am not their favourite columnist – but each to his own - I have long since decided that they are better ignored and the feeling is probably mutual. To say that I was dismayed by Eddie's decision to publish that pile of drivel which masquerades as wit is an understatement. I was actually disgusted that such muck would ever find a place on what I had always regarded as the crème de la crème of Celtic web-sites. I know it came with a public health warning, but did not excuse its very presence on our site. When Celtic F.C. embraced the Green Brigade and facilitated their group presence at Paradise, it did not take a genius to foresee that problems lay in store. As the bard says, if you sup with the devil you need a lang spoon, and the modus operandi of the Green Brigade was too at odds with the aims and objectives of Celtic PLC for a harmonious relationship to emerge. Listening to Sunday's match and the singing of songs from outwith the approved canon – including I may say sectarian chants directed at Wattie – simply illustrates the tensions that remain between the two bodies. There is a terrific series of children's novels by a woman called Susan Cooper called 'The Dark is Rising'. These books are superior to those about the speccy boy wizard although the film versions of young Potter's adventures are far superior to the ham-fisted attempt by Hollywood to capture the essence of Cooper's works about Will Stanton and the Arthurian legends. In one of the books there is an episode in which the Dark Lord visits Will's house on Christmas Eve. As they are time Lords of a sort, the younger man takes them outside time and expresses his rage that the evil one should enter his family home, only to be reminded that he was invited in by Will's father who has unwittingly made his acquaintance in the real world and that even Will, as the last of the 'Old One's', cannot affect the ancient magic once the invitation was made. My point is that Eddie, who I consider the best web-master around, and someone who has directed the tone and manners of this site with the lightest of touches, has I believe, in publishing this garbage – for garbage it is - offered the same invitation to Timworld's yahoos and numpties as Will Stanton's father did to the Dark. The door has been opened and we must ask how easy it will be to police standards, in terms of both articles and comments, when it has been accepted that filth is O.K. when it purports to be humour. I texted my thoughts on this to Eddie and he did not agree saying that he thought our site was the better for it. I find that viewpoint astonishing. He – and others – have spent years building a web-site which stood for something in the pantheon of Celtic cyberspace, something which might best be described as 'class'. That this piece even saw the light of our day, in my opinion undermines years of work. I cannot recall whether it was in response to Michael Kelly's book or following one of Brain Dempsey's mutterings in the red-tops, but Fergus uttered the lines which head this article, in a sense putting them in their place. Eddie assures me that nothing will change and that vigilance will remain an issue for us in terms of editorial control and the maintenance of standards. I must trust him on this but I hope that when the dog barks and the caravan moves on those of us who saw this site as special still feel we have a place. |






Comments
As you - and no doubt others - know, I was very much an E-Tims/Kerrydale Street member rather than the Huddleboard in my message board days. That's just personal preference. These boards exist because we each have these preferences. Just because we all support Celtic doesn't mean we all think the same way.
I won't say I'm disappointed that the article appeared on here - as I said, I enjoyed it - but I am surprised. Everything has it's place.
I received the match report via e-mail. Thought it was ok, nothing great. However I was very, very very surprised to see it on here. I would have never expected it to be on CelticUnderground.
What I like about here is the originality of the work that is published. I dont like the fact that posts are re-posted here. If they have to be, then they have to be "CU Class"
After all I dont hold this place in such high regard for nothing.
My tuppence.
I for one took that article by Jimbhoy in the spirit it was meant and found it hilarious and witty in equal measure.Sorry to say it Lachiemor but you come across as being more upset with the politics of why it was shown on here rather than the content of it.
Everybody was in high spirits when that was posted and the timing and sentiment of it were spot on. I did not see the "muck" or "filth" you mentioned........I just read a very funny report on the game - no more ....no less. I think you should really see it the same way and not turn it into something it clearly isn't.
I doubt it will become a trend and Lachiemor is just being overly cautious but I do generally avoid sites with that kind of writing.
"and i certainly wouldnt expect to see that level of humour (or any) on follow follow!"
I know plenty of Rangers fans who did not find that match report funny, and I am sure find plenty of Rangers material funny that you do not. Do not presume to think you have say of what is funny and what is not
I think its more to do with the fact that kids and their parents know that they can read this site and others such as KDS and CQN and not be exposed to bad language.
Jhimbo's piece was nowhere near that level of vileness. HOWEVER, for a site as erudite as this, I thought it was out of place, crude and did not fit in - certainly not with the happy, genial tone of preceding articles.
I would like to think it is a blip and hopefully Lachie and Eddie (and the rest of us!) can raise the tone in the very near future.
The article in question lacked class - disappointing.
So I'm afraid to read this drivel and ok parts of it are funny and I might even have found the all of it funny when I was an impressionable 16yo (43 now) but I'm afraid if someone pointed me to that on a Rangers Website and it was written about us with the equivalent persons replaced I would be seething if I ever heard reputable Journo's or Fans referring to that website on phone-ins etc.
Some stats;
The F word or F'ing word is used 29 times
The C word is used 13 times
The B word is used 6 times
I did not count them, Google Chrome does it for me.
Far be it from me to tell any of the hard working authors of this site what to put on it and there is no "but" coming. Given that the page in question is almost at the top of the "hit" parade for the last 16 articles and its only been on there for a two days (I would guess it will be top by tomorrow morning)suggests it has attracted a significantly higher amount of traffic than normal on this site and that is down to the nature of the article being communitated. Take for example the amount of Facebook "hits" at 93, out of the last 10 articles the highest out with that was the Mark Crosas article with 27 hits to Facebook.
Enough said. There are plenty of sites where dross of this level can be read so I feel fairly safe I am unlikely to read an article penned by any of the current contributors of similar quality so that in itself will keep me coming back and listening to the podcasts. So keep the good work up guys, like Bertie says. O hope its a blip.
I thought it was a terrible piece of writing. It pandered to the lowest common denominator in every line. And we complain about The Sun or The Record?
'Like a Fenian on a flume...' - well, how very clever. Does Hooper know what a Fenian is? Come to that, does the writer?
That report was the kind of knuckle-dragging, backward-looking, nasty, illiterate garbage you would expect on Follow Follow.
The fact of it being slathered in a jelly of self-indulgent, self-conscious, fifth-rate stream-of-consciousness pretentiousness made it all the more gut-churning.
Offensive garbage. On a fantastic day, it succeeded in making me ashamed.
The practical :- "Perhaps Eddie found it genuinely funny"
The obvious :- "If you don't like it, don't read it."
19 comments on the merits or otherwise of the original article is pushing this toward the "Most commented" top ten, but does it really deserve to be there? This is a "right to reply" piece on an article that almost everyone has said they are surprised/disappointed about it's inclusion.
Lachie:- you can and have produced better.
Everyone else - move on, nothing to see.
Hail Hail
G.
I genuinely am sorry you feel that way Lachie and I hope it doesn't discourage you from producing more content in the future.
With regards to kids reading it (which is reprehensible), credit to KDS and CQN for having the swear filters but they will hear alot worse at the match.
I genuinely am sorry you feel that way Lachie and I hope it doesn't discourage you from producing more content in the future.
With regards to kids reading it (which is reprehensible), credit to KDS and CQN for having the swear filters but they will hear alot worse at the match."
Absolutely SPOT-ON Justwokeup. Thank Christ there are folk who see it exactly how it is. All the Mary Whitehouse wannabies on here were turning it into " Points of View" there ......unbelievable. I am glad Eddie is in control of what goes on here.
I find elitism and snobbery just as ugly as the feral, underclass muck that they are portraying (wrongly) this article by Jhimbo to be.
I am not for one minute belittling the efforts and hardwork that go into celticunderground. As I have said it is easily the best Tic site going. Fair enough the article is not the usual fair for on here, but the widespread condemnation it is recieving.....I find a little hard to take. It does come across as people on their "high-horse" and the article is being turned into some "venomous, vile " piece that I do not really think it is.
As I suggested previously - Eddie caught the mood and the sentiment of the fans spot-on and the timing of it was just right.
People just need to take it in the spirit it was meant. It was a one -off funny article, that encapsulated the feeling of our entire support at just the right moment.
People should not take the article, the site or themselves so seriously.
oh dee-dums, poor rangers fans, my heart bleeds.
re-arrange these words: your get out of *rse head your
I think the value of laughter should not be underestimated.
Is it not possible that the article could have been edited slightly so that the humour could be enjoyed by everyone with out the risk of offending some people. There were some expressions which I didn't like and felt were unneccessary - and which could easily have been removed.
However, comedy at its best has a rough edge to it FFS. Ask yourself this: would the big yin (ie. Billy Connolly) have had a chuckle to himself? I certainly believe so.
After I read your article, I had to read the match report of course. Whilst not for the pc minded, it was authentic and imaginitive and I really don't understand why anyone (unless of the darkside persuasion) could say it wasn't funny. Don't see why you're making such a fuss, to be honest.
I appreciate that the site owners and writers will want celtic underground to have a certain tone and dignity. Many of the articles on here are respectful (and some paranoid and reactionary) and well thought out, which is fair enough. However, this leads to a distinct lack of real humour which is very odd for a website dedicated to football and to Celtic. The occasional interjection of an article like the one under discussion does no harm, in my opinion, to the underlying values of the site. We don't want the Sun, but neither do we want the Guardian.
Not my thing. Infantile to see the least and the rape comparison is in especially bad taste.
Eddie, can we stick with the quality stuff like Lachie, St Ant and Harry ?
Cheers mate.
I didn't read the piece initially- got a few lines in and thought - this rubbish isn't for me. Following your piece I have tried a few more times to wade through it.
Pieces written in this style may appeal to the schoolboys behind the bicycle sheds but it's not for me. Sticking "rude words" in an article does not, for me, make something funny. I found reading it to much like hard work to have any humour.
I'm not offended by such matters, if something like this isn't for me I just ignore it.
We aren't a commercial entity and therefore have no stakeholders to answer to consequently eddie has merit in his points that if people don't like they can look elsewhere and whilst I would tell adults to look away if you don't like I do have sympathy for parents who may not want teenage kids reading such drivel.
Personally I steer away from message boards as I feel the more "direct" interaction between fans seems to occur there with sites such as etims, cqn and here specialising in articles and features.
Maybe Eddie was still drunk on the euphoria of Sunday when he posted the article on here because for me the most damming comment on this piece is that it's just sh1t!
For anyone that has read any Irvine Welch, this stuff is pretty tame.
There was a warning at the top of the page. I think we should be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
This is a great site...
HAIL HAIL
"oh dee-dums, poor rangers fans, my heart bleeds.
re-arrange these words: your get out of *rse head your"
once again you have missed the point haven't you
I accept that something I find funny other don't and something others find funny I will not. You don't. So MY head is up my '*rse'?
everyone else is wrong and stuck up because YOU find it funny. Maybe its "just a bit of banter", and excuse you will read on Follow Follow
I did not find it funny and I have a right to not find it funny, if you can't accept that maybe your sense of humour is not the standard by which the rest of us are judged then its too late for you
I was not offended by the piece except the rape part but that due to a friends previous experience and I accept a simple lack of tact than anything. I just did not find it funny and hard to read because I don't like that ned speak and a personal preference. You may also notice I did not comment in the article in question either
Hail Hail
However, Eddie is the big cheese and it's his prerogative to post up articles. I dare say some of the articles I've had posted up on CU aren't of the highest standard
I will agree that it was a very, very poorly written and occasionally vulger piece of writing. The regular standard of CU is much higher than that and it's the main reason I log onto CU daily.
To all the guys who regularly contribute, keep up the good work and keep the standard of the site up there with the very best on the 'net.
To the haters....shut it!
Cheers
J
Less is more Lachie, less is more.
Curious - if you google 'Lachiemor' the number of references to how much the inhabitants of the Huddleboard disapprove of my ramblings is surprising for folk who don't know who I am.
From 5 and a half years ago?? All that proves is you hold a grudge and that your pomposity hasn't faded with time. We, on the other hand, are still the biggest & busiest Celtic forum on the web.
Funnily enough on the two occasions that I've had the misfortune to run across your 'column' (musn't laugh) I've always thought, there is a man who spends far too much time 'googling' himself, or words to similar effect.
My thoughts on that article were nothing to do with a grudge or 'pomposity' but simply about good taste. It may have fitted the Huddleboard's style - it was out of place here.
As for my use of the word 'column', it was just a word, but having written almost 100 articles for Celtic Underground and the E-Tims I think I can be permitted the odd slip up here and there.
Fair enough!
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